Loan Modifications Principal Reductions
Three Important Loan Mod Questions
How can you do loan mods for hire, legally, in all 50 states?
What are the state laws you should look out for, and how can you legally work and still get paid?
Should you do your own loan mod? This ONE tip can save you tens of thousands
Do you have to be a lawyer to do loan modifications for hire?
Details on Obama's Mortgage Loan Modification Proposals
Breaking news: Obama's proposal just out on mortgage loan mods
This video shows some conclusions on the just-released story of President Obama's $250 billion proposal on loan mods. See why this is what we expected, what it means (surprisingly, incredible news if you need a loan mod or are in the loan mod business) and what it does NOT signify.
This is a proposal, not a law. I expect that the lenders will have a field day. Notice that so much of this is payment to the lenders. The pattern all along has been to do what the lenders want done. The homeowner is the low man on the totem pole. The game is to pay the lenders more and more money. They are incentivized to do loan mods. But no principal reductions except in chapter 13 bankruptcy.
Chapter 13 sucks. It is designed by lenders who wrote very bad reforms enacted by a plaint Congress in 2005. You don't want to go there.
Also, the real problem of people being severely upside down is not addressed. Since it is not addressed, more and more people will become upside down, house values will continue to fall, and more homeowners will be looking for loan mods and short sales when the mods don't work out.
If you are in the loan mod business, this type of thinking is your best friend.
Letters will go out to homeowners early March if this proposal passes, and even if it doesn't. The letters will be yet another attempt by lenders to contact homeowners. Then the lenders will try the same games except they will be paid more handsomely, so there will be more loan mods done than ever before. And the homeowners will face all sorts of rough choices, and will either get help, or end up with a loan mod that they can't afford.
Sure, the proposal calls for mods to 38% of the borrower's gross income, bought down to 31% with government money. But how is this figured and calculated, and what about people who don't fit in because of a lot of debt?
Warning: upcoming changes in mortgage loan modifications
Congress is about to change the rules with respect to loan mods. Lenders currently do loan mods on a fully voluntary basis. Each lender has their own rules and own processes, as irrational as they are at times.
The new law will change things and in this video, I tell you my thoughts on how it will change and what it means to you if you are doing loan mods for profit, if you are doing a loan mod for your own house, or if you are an investor looking for a mortgage loan modification on your investment properties.
Will principal reductions make the loan mod business obsolete?
Here is a video with some further thoughts on the whole business of loan mods, and what could happen to it. Does the loan mod business have much future? Will principal reductions and other mods granted by lenders through computer modeling and granted automatically to tens or hundreds of thousands of homeowners at a time kill the loan mod business?
What will Obama Do on Loan Mods?
This video is very quick:
Selling Loan Mods to Borrowers: Here's How To Demonstrate How Reputable You Are
In this video you will learn how to transform your selling efforts so that when you talk to borrowers, you are the good guy and very clearly they can see that they should do business with you. Learn how to use today's loan mod scams and charlatans to your advantage, and to truly be the one that people want to do business with.
How to calculate debt to income ratios or DTIRs for a loan mod
I made this video to show you how to calculate DTIRs, which are the most important thing lenders pay attention to in determining whether or not to grant a loan modification.
And, there is a very important short sale telephone seminar TONIGHT and a loan mod telephone seminar in a few short days. If you get Loan Mod Magic right now, for a 365 day trial, you wlil be invited to tonight's seminar and next week's on loan mods. And you will still be eligible not only to get the course for a full 365 days for a trial, but also to receive instant download of almost 4 hours of bonus audios…on marketing your loan mod business, current situations with various lenders and various situations, and much much more.
Loan modifications and Principal Reductions in Bankruptcy Court - and a Question
Big news out of Washington involving Citibank and an agreement to offer principal reductions in a chapter 13. Get all the information here. And, I have a question from a subscriber, "how do I fill out a financial statement for a loan mod or a short sale, if I have properties held in a limited liability company or corporation?"
Will they lower how much you owe and let you stay in the house?
Today's video answers some awesome questions. And it has some discussion about principal reductions…upcoming legislation…and four questions from subscribers.
So today. three questions and a comment:
- What magic does a Realtor need to do, say or know to get an offer presented to the buyer around here!
- A loan officer has 3 or 4 people who are facing foreclosure…and want to do short sales…how to turn this into a money making opportunity?
- What if the second mortgage holder doesn't agree to a short sale?
- An interesting little case study/comment.
And, news regarding Loan Mod Magic and Short Sale Secrets.
We have two seminars coming up. You are invited to both if you get one of my courses.
A new loan mod magic seminar coming up very soon. New material in it. New forms and updates and new processes.
Also some other stuff.
And great stuff on short sales, different situations that pros will appreciate and if you are new, you will soak up.
Plus, when you get the Loan Mod Magic course, 4 hours of bonus audios on marketing your business and different scenarios will get you off to a wonderful start. Limited time only.
And, please
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38 Comments on Loan Modifications Principal Reductions »
Dave Pavlisko @ 9:33 am:
Richard, I bought your course and am in the process of going through it as I type this. I have a question regarding my personal mortgage situation. I have two mortgages, both with the same lender (Wachovia). I own the subject property, which is a primary residence, with a friend. He makes a modest, but consistent income while on the other hand, I have an extreme harsdhip concerning my finances. I am self employed and have not made much money at all lately. My friend cannot support the mortgages on his own. Is it worth trying for a loan modification and if so, will it adversely affect my friends credit? How do lenders look up on and deal with a situation like that??? Can you give me any insight? Thanks, Dave P.
Hi Dave, the lender will want to see both of your financial situations. It sounds like if you add them up, they won't be good enough in terms of debt to income ratios. With self employment, you will want to prepare a profit and loss statement that shows how much you actually pulled out of the business. Your friend I assume is employed at a job. But a modest income, plus very low self employment income, offset by debts that I presume you each have, probably isn't a pretty picture.
I would probably try for a short sale instead, and get out from under completely. On the other hand, there may be ways to get a loan mod. You never know until you submit an appropriate package to the lender. You can submit your information and say "this is how much we can afford," and who knows, maybe they will say "yes."
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–Richard
Paul Mayer @ 10:06 am:
Richard, In your video about short sales you said that your people could help me with a short sale for a fee. You gave a telefone #, which I called several times, left messages but nobody called me back. I have a terminall cancer, and I do want to take care of my problem; I do not want anybody (my wife) to suffer consequences of my mistake. The property is in Florida, but I am on chemo treatment in California. I would like to use the services of your staff to do the short sale for my property in Florida, because in my condition I can not go there. Could you people do it? What would be the fees for it? My telephone: [deletetd]
Hi, Paul. I will pass your name along to a law firm I work with. I have total confidence in them. Jeff Bortnick, law office of Mark Bello, 248-948-1800.
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–Richard
Heidi Coyne @ 1:42 pm:
I live in a resort town, own my own business in town and the internet. FYI.. We depend on southern Ca and Vegas to come to our city as a destination. Boating town. The city has felt this huge money crunch impact for over a year, Gas px's killed our summertime business. Boat town and with gas going to $5.00 a gallon. Well I am sure you see the picture. I have several questions? 1. I have a fixed interest only loan through Countrywide home loans, Bank of New york is the trustee.. I would like a loan Modification, I have never been late and have a fixed rate. They informed me @ ( Countrywide) that I do not qualify. will there be relief for these type of loan in the near future? 2. What strategically can I do before tower falls. Timing is everything. Help at the H LAKE… So far you information has been an eye opener, as I dig I find the next swamp. Thank you for all your help, it truly makes a difference. keep up the great work.. Heidi
Hi Heidi, great post. If you don't qualify, usually it is for one of two reasons. First, if you are paying on time, many lenders *still* want to insist you don't qualify. Only people 60 days late qualify. Sad but true too often. Second, your income may not be high enough in relation to your debts, this is the debt to income ratio, or DTIR. Many lenders want to see at most 50% DTIR after the new payment is figured in. Some lenders are going lower. Countrywide has been going only to 38% recently for some borrowers, so fewer people qualify.
I would suggest you consider a short sale to get out from under.
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–Richard
Michael @ 2:28 pm:
My bank is telling me I have to be late to qualify for a short sale?
Unfortunately all to often, the answer is that you need to be behind by two payments in order to get a loan mod. Not always the case, but quite often it is.
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–Richard
Larry Hollingsworth @ 1:41 pm:
Dear Richard for four years I have been doing Short sales. I have closed about 25 and I am at a 96% ratio. The short sales are getting harder and harder to do because of the servicer/note holder inability to respond. So I decied to start doing Loan Mods. I purchased your excellent course but have a question about info I heard in today's video. Using the Lender Formula you give in the Loan Mod course of hoped for mortgage and the bills you specified and then doubling the amount you state: "If the doubled amount is less than your monthly income you will probalby get a loan mod." My client has a monthly income of 9500. The double amount is $ 7,770. However based on todays video my client has a Debt to ratio income of 81%. (7770 divided by 9500) and he needs to be at lease 50% and if the lender is CHL he needs to be 38%. Am I missing something or do I have conflicting info. Thanks Larry Hollingsworth, Realtor Frisco, TX
DTIR is calculated by adding up all the monthly debt obligations including the hoped-for mortgage payment, and the property tax and insurance. This should add up to no more than half of the client's gross income.
The household disposable income is another test altogether, where the lender will ask the client to complete a statement of all their monthly expenses of all kinds, including food and so forth. The lender wants to see how much the client has left over to service debt. But it is a different question and DTIR is more important.
There are also ways to reducing a DTIR so it works for your client, such as by negotiating lower payments with credit cards, which is very powerful in cutting the client's monthly payments to creditors and also in lowering the DTIR so a loan mod that would be a "no" becomes a "yes."
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–Richard
Matthew @ 11:06 pm:
Hi Richard, I have listened to some of your videos. I enjoy your straight to the point talk. Here is my situation. We purchased a condo in 2005 for $320k. We have a 1st of $252k and a second of $64k. The condo is only worth about $220k to $250k. In July of 2008 we purchased a bigger home which we have moved into. In Sept, 2008 I injured myself and was out of work. In addition, my work has slowed some hours. GMAC mortgage will not assist me in a loan mod because I have two homes. Same for the Specialised Lending (2nd mortgage). They also tell me I have not been late on any payments. I am a real estate agent. We want to keep the condo but want some type of loan mod. or we are considering walking away from it. Do you recommend a hardship letter? Do you recommend a real estate attorney? Thanks!
I recommend that you get the information that you need rather than hiring someone piecemeal. My course Loan Mod Magic is a great place to get all you need to know. If you do your own loan mod, you can save a grand or two. If you listen to the lenders and try to do a loan mod, you will probably short change yourself or fail entirely. A big key is that people who miss a few payments are the ones who the lenders talk to and help with loan mods. I am not advising anyone to miss payments, but that is the sad reality of it. And there are important packaging and negotiating methods to use that you need to know, and you will not learn these as I said from the lender.
I do not advise walking away. A short sale is far better because it addresses your personal liability on the second, and potentially on the first (don't know what state you are in) and also will help preserve your FICO score.
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–Richard
Anna @ 10:38 am:
Hi Richard,
Okay, here is my unique and crazy situation… I have a house on a canal in cape coral, florida that I owe $530,000 on that is now only worth around $200,000. I stopped paying almost a year ago in order to get the bank to start to negotiate with me. (Ocwen is my service provider) They told me they wouldn't even negotiate with me unless and until I was 90 days behind. So, I began the agonizing process of watching my 730 credit score slowing sore down the tubes, and of
"negotiations" or lack there of with my serivice provider, out of India. I have only spoken to one American person, and have had a solid year of nothing but hard core runarounds. At first, they told me they were going to "forgive" around $200,000 of the loan and bring the amount I owe down to the current property value… then they called me and told me that since when I took the loan I also pulled cash out that they could not do that.
Now, here's the ever so important backstory… My husband and I bought the house in 2004 for $285… then, took some money out to work on the house (it was built in 1963 - completely dated). Then two years ago, we divorced. It was at a time when no one was too sure where the market was heading and I took the chance of keeping the house and assuming the debt and he walked free and clear. He agreed that no matter how things turned out… profitable or debt riddened that he would make no claims. I went to a lender who told me that the ONLY way they could approve me with my credit score, because of a previous chapter 7, discharged in 2003, that I would have to take out an extra $90,000 to draw against to cover the mortgage of almost $4000/month for the first year. Then, after the 1st year, they, or someone else could refinance me and bring the payments down to a more reasonable number. I also have my real estate license but have done very little with it. I keep it up to date but have never sold a house. I sell advertising in the Southwest Florida market (#63) and have had a total decline in my income on a regular basis every since. I tried using some of the $90,000 to move to L.A. where I worked for one of the major TV networks, but after having no one to manage the property because all of the management companies were overwhelmed and taking no new clients, and a few other factors, I returned to Florida and to the house… only to find that the antique a/c unit was place against code in the attick many years before we ever bought the place and as a result there was a leaking drip pan which cause black mold to infest the ducts of the a/c unit. I was now looking at over $10,000 in expenses to remedy that problem and still playing cat and mouse with Ocwen in India trying to modify the loan. I have since moved out of the house and renting a much nicer home for less than a third of my mortgage payment.
I have been told by an attorney that trying to sue for the a/c problems would not be a likely success and that I should simply file chapter 13 where he could somehow get me out of owing anything at all for the house, settle my credit card debt for low monthly payments with very little interest (I only have about $2500 worth of cc debt).
I have a first and a second mortgage… backed by Bear Sterns… I simply do not know what to do. I would like to get the bank to do what they had originally proposed; to forgive the difference of what I owe and the current market value and to give me a payment based on the new loan amount. At that point I could either tear the house down and build a small nice new home in it's spot for around $100,000 or I could fix the a/c problem and the rest of the problems and move back in. OR… to simply get out of it altogether, which considering my husband is no longer there to help me take care of it and my company is laying people off left and right and I have absolutely NO job security, I'm quite sure this is the best option. But, I worked so hard to get my credit back up to a 700+ after the chapter 7 (which by the way was only for around $20,000 and was almost ALL medical bills… I should never have filed ch. 7 - it was a horrible mistake… I know now, live and learn, right?) Anyway, I would like to salvage my credit score, get rid of this house, and somehow do it all on a budget. I'm more hand to mouth at age 35 than I have ever been in my entire adult life. I have even had to pull my daughter, a sophomore in high school, out of private school and put her into public school where she is extremely unhappy, to give you an idea of how extreme my circumstances are.
Please advise.
Thank you so much,
Anna
Anna @ 10:50 am:
Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that one of my credit cards is Capital 1, which I normally paid off the entire balance each month, but due to the dire nature of my financial circumstances, I didn't make any payment at all for over 4 months and they have now doubled the amount that I owe in fees; bringing my balance from $600 to $1350 and have given me til' tomorrow (the 12th of January) to agree to a payment arrangement or they will move forward with a law suit. I believe that because I recently had to sue someone in small claims court and while I was there, more than 20 cases were Capital 1 law suits. They will not negotiate with me because they have determined that because I have already filed Chapter 7 in 2003 that I will not be allowed to file again and therefore, they will get what they are asking for in court but, in the representative's exact words… "it will just be a slow bleed." Meaning that it would take time for them to slowly garnish my wages or what have you, but in the end they would get the entire $1350 plus legal fees. Any advise???? I have only one day to figure this one out. What a mess! PS: Please excuse any spelling/gramatic errors; I'm typing fast. Thanks
I can suggest that you get information, and act out of knowledge rather than out of fear. You are acting now out of fear. That never bodes well.
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–Richard
sixto @ 6:29 pm:
When I purchase your loan mods secret, do you have the dti ration used individually by each lender to grant a modification ?
Also, when I know there are violations to REPA, TILA, where do I file a lawsuit and can I do it myself on my behalf? What is the procedure?
Javier Macias @ 2:17 pm:
Richard, i have a client loan Mod Customer is backwards on his primary home good area for kids.. any how the problem is that He is with Carrington Mortgage 1st and Indy Mac 2nd. Payment about $4400.00
Rental Indy Mac only, How do we present the financials, per Indy Mac on the second denied because Indy Mac states that they do not consider the Mothly mortgage payment on the primary Of the $4400.00 and will not consider it as debt and said that he can well afford the current payment of $2800.00 for the rental.
Please advise
Javier
Javier Macias @ 2:33 pm:
Foreclouser, do you recommend working with the bank it's self if you already in foreclouser? Looked a a few Lawyers they want up to $4600.00 up front and will only recommend backruptcy. Isn't there something else that can be done?
Situation Homeowner, lost job 2008, lost renters 2008, now has ability to pay mortgage, has not paid sisnce July 2008, Oct 2008 had very bad car accident and health issues now from accident 74 years old. 1st Auroura Loan Service bal $599k 2nd Country wide $98K, House is only worth 435K last we checked.
Auroura will only offer a forbearence and Countywide will not work with us. Please advidse, Client has all her family living with her now and wants & needs to stay in her home in Fontana California.
Thanks
Javier
Maria @ 10:31 pm:
Hello Richard,
Pertaining to loan modifications for a husband and a wife if. If only one person is on the loan but they are both on title will both incomes be used and factored into the debt to income ratios? or just the one on the mortgage?
Also could you please tell me if someone has already had a loan modification is a second one possible? The first loan mod just brought us current but did not alter the terms.
One last question please if a homeowner is upside down by 180,000 what are the chances of any equity ever to be seen in this life time? or would it be better to include the home in a bankruptcy? Thanks.
Maria @ 10:32 pm:
Hello Richard, Pertaining to loan modifications for a husband and a wife if. If only one person is on the loan but they are both on title will both incomes be used and factored into the debt to income ratios? or just the one on the mortgage? Also could you please tell me if someone has already had a loan modification is a second one possible? The first loan mod just brought us current but did not alter the terms. One last question please. if a homeowner is upside down by 180,000 what are the chances of any equity ever to be seen in this life time? or would it be better to include the home in a bankruptcy?
I am not optimistic about housing coming back for several years. But I don't see bankruptcy as necessary for most folks. You can settle things rather easily if you know how, without bankruptcy.
Both incomes can be used if you need it. I'd hold it in reserve. But never lie to banks, stick to the truth whatever you do.
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–Richard
Jerusha @ 2:17 pm:
Richard, This is Jerusha Patterson in Lanham Maryland. I like what you say on all your vidoes. I have a question? I am I able to do loan modification for people, if I am not a Real Estate agent. I wanted to help others and make and extra income for myself. I want to order your course on loan mods. but if I am not an agent and this is a requirement how can I get involved in this portion of your program. Please answer me asap! I really want to know. Thanks, Jeri
You can do loan mods and short sales for other people. Get my course. And check out the laws that apply in your state. Some states have no requirements. Most states have a statue that prohibits advance fee charging, and that require you to give the borrower a chance to rescind, and some other stuff. A few states require you to have a bond issued if you are doing loan mods. Not a big deal if you are legit. My course explains how to run this business without charging advance fees.
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–Richard
Ben Benita @ 8:19 pm:
So you get to live in your home for free for a few months…..ENJOY!!! If the company doing your short sale knows the loopholes, you can stay in there for MONTHS without making payments. We closed one last Thursday here in Virginia where the owner was able to make NO PAYMENTS AT ALL IN 2008!!! He, his wife, and 2 little ones could not have been more happy. They are now renting closer to work, paying less per month for a nicer property and were able to save several thousand dollars last year!!!! Sincerely, Ben Benita
Hi Ben! Hope you are well.
Folks, I recommend Ben's services whole heartedly. For anyone doing a short sale, Ben's the real deal. Get in touch with him at http://www.United-IG.com
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–Richard
Kristin @ 1:25 pm:
Hi Richard, When calculating DTIR, do you use the interest-only payment for HELOCs, or do you amortize it as if it were going to be paid down over the remainder of the loan period? My HELOC has been suspended because I'm upside-down and need to pay it down before they'll let me draw from it again. I'm actually hoping to do a loan mod on my rental though, losing $1300/month. With gratitude, Kristin
Hi Kristin!
Why not assume they convert the HELOC into a 30 year amortizing loan, maybe at an interest rate for 5 years of, say, 3%. At least for purposes of calculating a hoped-for payment.
Are you in touch with the HELOC about a loan mod?
BTW, I question if they will let you draw it down again, ever. Regardless of what happens. Which might be for the best …?
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–Richard
Edward Aretz @ 1:18 pm:
You really cannot get a loan modification. You need to get a short sale. In a short sale, your credit will get restored over time. If done right, your lenders should report your mortgages as having been "satisfied." The loss of all of your real estate debt will immediately improve your debt to income ratio. The late payments will become less and less important over time. Good luck.
Hundreds of thousands of homeowners are getting loan mods. I do agree that many are better off with a short sale, though, because they can get out of debt rather than just papering it over.
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–Richard
David Cullen @ 2:24 pm:
Richard, In 2006 I opted to refi with a "pay option arm" mortgage. We own and operate a small used car dealership and over the past few years it was not going well. We found our debt rising and our income reducing as many have and used the cash out for our personal and business debts. In 2008 we decided that enough was enough and repositioned the business by leasing it off to other car dealers and drawing enough out of that to cover its expenses. We filed chapter 7 on our personal debt and are waiting for the court to decide if we qualify for a discharge of our persona l debts. We are reaffirming the mortgage but I wanted to know if I can try to do a loan modification and convert the mortgage to a fixed rate somehow with an affordable payment? In 06 the property was appraised at $450,000 recently the BPO was $290,000. Presently we owe approximately $390,000.00. The original mortgage was only $350,000 but the "pay option arm" interest added has taken the note up $40K. What to do? Dave Cullen
Dave, you should ask your lawyer this question. But I am wondering why you are reaffirming the mortgage? Why wouldn't you just walk away from this nightmare and come into a new life, clean from this outrageous amount of debt? Loan mods are fine for many folks, but in your situation I think I'd prefer to see you debt free, wouldn't you? Since you owe so much, the lenders are not (yet?) writing down principal. That is what happens in a short sale — and you walk away and start over.
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–Richard
Alonzo @ 12:56 pm:
Richard I have two investment properties that I bought in 2005 they will adjust up 2010 october.I am already coming out of my pocket about $300 each month but I have excellent credit for now. If I did a short sale on both houses,because they are not worth what I paid for them. If I have lines of credit with my business and personal credit cards that are paid on time every month throughout the short sale process will I lose them all? The reason is I use my lines of credit and credit cards to do other business with. I am trying to arm myself with knowledge not fear as you say. I am really looking into getting your program. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
Hi Alonzo, good on you for short sales on those houses! Instead of praying things would turn around, you turned them around. That is wonderful.
Will your FICO score take a hit? A bit, yes. Will it take a bad hit? Probably not. Today's underwriting standards are harder than they were due to the credit crunch. But you should not take such a hit that you will have your business and personal credit lines pulled. It is a possibility but I would doubt it will happen so long as the short sales are reported "paid - settled" and there were not multiple delinquencies as well.
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–Richard
JC @ 2:16 pm:
How much of a FICO point drop happens when you either foreclose, deed in lieu, or short sale?
alex Bravo @ 2:05 pm:
Richard, Do you think that a Forensic report it is necessary to a better negotiation?
It can be very useful but I'm not sure I'd spend several thousand dollars on it. You could do a qualified written request and have a competent mortgage processor look at your original documents and for very little, you might end up with extremely significant bargaining advantages.
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–Richard
John @ 6:20 pm:
I just recently got married. My wife is living with me now, and we are trying to rent her home. I am at the point where I can no longer make my paments on my CC's or my home. My wife is upside down on her home as well as myself in my home (where we currenlty reside). My wife also just lost her job a few weeks ago, so now I have my debt (CC and Mortgage) and her debt (CC and Mortgage) to pay. Counting mortgages, car payments, and CC monthly minimums I am at 110% DTIR
How would you suggest handling this? Can I include her debt in my calculations to get my debt / mortgage reduced? Do I have to only include mine and have her follow the same process for hers? I am interested in your opinion on this specal case scenario. Thanks in advance
John, I don't know what legally is right, but I would try to present the case to lenders for a loan mod, or short sale, or settling credit cards, in a way that is both honest, and that makes my situation look most favorably in terms of getting what I want.
IF it makes sense to pool things together when showing a lender, then I would do that. If it makes sense to keep things separate, I would do that. Always sticking to the truth.
I would first consider settling the card debt, since you need to live but you don't need to pay credit cards. Then I'd think about short sales on the houses so I could get something more affordable. No need to buy when you can rent, although you can buy if you want to (even if you have credit problems.)
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–Richard
John @ 7:39 pm:
I don't understand. It seems like you are saying that you need to LOWER you DTIR to qualify for a loan MOD. Why does this sound backwards to me? If would think the higher your DTIR the more likely they will be to MOD your loan. A high DTIR is a sign you can not afford to pay your bills and if they don't help reduce your DTIR, you will default and they will be stuck paying extr $$ to foreclose on you. What am I missing?
A lender won't do a loan mod without making sure that there is a good chance the borrower won't fail the mod, at least if the lender is doing a good job (by lender of course I mean servicer.)
A recent study showed almost 55% of loan mods were failing. And I think it's because lenders were stuffing mods down borrower's throats that the borrower couldn't afford.
The FDIC took over Indymac Bank and they have made sure to stick to affordable mods that borrowers have a high chance of managing. DTIR has to be within the range of workable, or the lender will turn it down and foreclose.
Over 50% on an after-modded loan for a DTIR was and is unworkable. And lenders are sometimes looking at lower ratios than that, but rarely or never over 50%. 31% - 36% seems to be a number that I think any Federal program will end up using.
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–Richard
John @ 7:35 am:
I also notice on the Indy/Mac process you talked about above - after a little research - that it looks as though they use Housing-to-Income (HTI) ratio and not DTI ratios? Is that true? http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2008/08/indymac-mods-principal-forbearance-vs.html If it is, I don't see how anyone would be approved for a loan mod unless they had no other debt except a huge mortgage. Am I missing somethig? And thanks for all the help.
The latest guidelines for Fannie and Freddie use "front end debt ratios" that only include the housing component — your first mortgage payment, including interest and principal, property tax, insurance, homeowner's fees. The guidelines do not look at other debts at all, except in regard to mandating "counseling" for people who are over 55% back end debt to income, which takes into account all the borrower's debts not just housing.
In other words, they don't care how much debt the borrower is in, when it comes to calculating DTI. All that counts in essence is the mortgage related payments.
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–Richard
Paul @ 11:55 am:
If you're a real estate broker in California I was told that the Department of Real Estate had to approve all licensees before they could provide Loan Modification services and that we would not be able to collect advance fees. Is that true?
The California statute prohibits advanced fees, as do many other state statutes. I don't know about the DRE claim, it may or may not be true. I can find out.
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–Richard
Paul Kennedy @ 3:01 pm:
I have a loan with Countrywide a 5 year interest only $550,000. The home is worth about $1,200,000 even in this market The loan reset on Jan 1 of 09 from 4.25% ($1,964.00) to 6.25% ($3,658.00) an 86% increase. I am current on the loan and never a late on anything. Credit score is 805. I have been unemployed since Jan of 07 ( I was a loan officer for a bank acquired by National City Bank). I have been making payments from savings since that time and still have $250,000 in savings. I asked Countrywide for a Modification and was turned down because I am current on the loan and I have no income to calculate a debt to income ratio. any suggestions?
Does it make sense to keep paying out from savings if you have been unemployed for such a long time? And to hold onto a house that is probably still falling in value? Have you thought that it may be wise to try to sell your house and reduce your expenses?
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–Richard
Bret @ 12:55 pm:
Richard- I just sent my loan mod paperwork back to b of a last week. They gave me a 3.375 rate for 5 years and extended the term to 40 years. Is it too late to take advantage of a better deal offered by this new program?
There isn't really a better deal right now. You done good!
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–Richard
Vince @ 1:01 pm:
Very interesting
John @ 5:04 pm:
Quick question. For those that need a principal reduction as part of their loan mod to get them to the 38% (even with the stepped, 40 year provisions) - do you see this helping or hurting their cause? I guess what I am worried about, is that now that the Gov't is going to cover a major portion of their loses for those that only need the "IndyMac" type modification to meet the requirements for a MOD - will they be less willing to go the extra mile to help those that don't qualify by reducing their principal or will they be less likely since they will have more $$ coming in from the Govt? Interested in your thoughts. John
I think that principal reductions will remain sporadic and hard to foresee. I think they will still be doing some principal reductions. Depends upon the phases of the moon, how much liability they may see they have with regard to TILA, and how much time they've put into reviewing the case.
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–Richard
Marsha @ 6:59 pm:
Richard, The seminar was fantastic last night. Thanks to Babara for being there to answer our questions. I have just finished the 9 Day sale course and also I have just put my team in place to do loan mods. I am so excited about this. I wanted to know if I have the loan mod program and the 9 day Sale program which I bought each separately so I could use them and really follow them like I should what would the cost of just the Short sale program be? Also, could you have a real detailed class on "back to back closings" using a Lease Option and explain this in real depth. In my area of the country no one seems to know what I am talking about and that is good because I want to be the first one out here doing this. You have challenged my husband and I to "step out of our comfort zone" and stay in the game. Thanks for everything. You have made a difference!!! Thanks.
I am thrilled to hear of your moving forward on things and staying in the game. I would ask you to contact support@mortgagereliefformula.com or call our 877-691-3328 ext.300 to speak with one of my team about your request.
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–Richard
Anita Machado @ 11:52 am:
I have just bought your course, Mortgage Loan Modification. I am anxious to gain this knowledge and succeed in getting my two mortgages modified as I am struggled hard to pay them right now. One is a primary residence mortgage and the other is on investment property so not sure if that one is possible. Anyhow, I have begun to watch your short video clips and have already learned a bunch. Thanks & I will keep you updated! Best, Anita
Thank you, I look forward to hearing of your success. Make sure to participate on the private on line forum, the Free And Clear Club
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–Richard
Anita Machado @ 11:57 am:
One quick question: when you say 31-38% do you mean including or excluding the taxes and Ins that are part of the monthly payment? (I am guessing excluding)
Thanks, Anita
tiffany bocanegra @ 8:25 pm:
I was recently told that unless you are DRE approved you no longer could help people modify their loans. is this true? I have done loan mods for friends and family with successful results at no charge. I have also helped outside associates with a service fee.however I never accepted payment until their were results. Am I still able to charge for my services? I do not sell anything,I simply provide a quality honest service for people who do not have time to deal with their lenders.Because I know and keep up with the ever changing guidlines People know I will fight for the best resonable outcome.Thus far I have been extreamly successful. I do have my attorney if I need back up.please let me know thank you kindly, Tiffany
Tiffany, in California you can do loan mods but you may be subject to regulation. If you take money up front you have to use a DRE approved contract and be a broker licensee.
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–Richard
Gloria Towne @ 8:49 pm:
I have a house in California, that has been on the market for 2 years, I am on my 4th realtor and I had one property manager. I am in New Hampshire so it has been really difficult for us to watch the house, none of the realtors, including the property manager watched the house. When we left the house was renovated and we put alot of work into it. Than because no one was watching the house, homeless people moved in. We had to get the police to haul the homeless girl to leave, and clean up the house. The 2nd realtor had problems where our doors and carpet were stolen. The 3rd realtor was a younger girl, and she mentioned about doing a short sale. Unfortunately, when 6 months went by, I asked her what our status was? The bank said there was no application received. So I resubmitted the application myself, pleading with the bank. I actually got the Short sale approved, and the realtor told me the buyer walked. I don't think she had a buyer in the first place! I complained to the broker, and he gave me another realtor, I gave her my leads, and when asked what happened to my leads, she said she told the investor, it wasn't a good investment. Which brought me to my fourth realtor, who said he went to the property to find the front door stolen, and the house gutted. Also people were dumping trash on my front lawn. The old Realtor, said he would call the police and make a report, but instead he called Code Enforcement, and they tried to fine me, for what all the bad people did to us. I tried to do a lieu of foreclosure and they told me I was in a short sale, and the computer wouldn't let me do a lieu of foreclosure at this time. This house has been a nightmare, and my husband has been on unemployment. I am two months behind on my mortgage, a lawyer said, that my two options are to sell the house or to fix it up and re-rent it. We are so far away, that even if we fix it up again, the neighbors or homeless people would wreck it. The last tenants we had to evict, and we wouldn't be able to handle this if it happens again.
What a story. It shows yet again how difficult it is to manage a property where you don't live. The further away, the harder.
I think you can do a short sale. Call the lender and see if you can't talk to the negotiator who was doing the short sale. You need another offer asap. If you price the house cheap enough, you could possibly sell it very quickly. Have you had a broker do a BPO recently?
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–Richard
Ruth Diaz from Staten Island NY @ 8:58 am:
Hello my name is Ruth Diaz. I want to thank God for you sharing with us. I have learned so much from you. My familiy and I are going through very hard finnancial times right now. After listening to you and learning about loan modifications now I feel better about getting my loan modified. We thank you.
Thank you so much. You made my morning. And I hope you are on the call we have this coming Monday.
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–Richard
Stan Putra @ 11:19 am:
Sir Email me. I might be interested in a purchase. I am not a broker. Good luck to you Sir
Stan
Juan @ 12:24 pm:
Yes, that is true. The rule is that if you present yourself as a foreclosure consultant, and the client is in a legal NOD status, then you trip the Ca. foreclosures laws. Look them up. Also, if you collect fees upfront, then thse laws come into effect, and you EITHER need to be a DRE broker to collect the fees, or a licensed attorney. You should also have a fee agreement in place. For DRE brokers — let the DRE review and accept your fee agreement. There is a list of DRE approved brokers you are in compliance with the DRE regulations. See the site:
http://www.dre.ca.gov/mlb_adv_fees_list.html
(You will find a long list, and links to other information )
If you work with an attorney, then standard fee agreement in place. They collect the fee in their name and the work is done under their direct or indirect supervision.
Im a licensed DRE sales agent, but with 10 yrs of experience in the business of commercial real estate finance. I decided, for liability issues, and for performance, to work with an attorney firm that does the forensic legal review and modifications for my clients, and I have a referral arrangement with the firm to conduct this type of busines. I do not get directly involved with the lenders and the modifications unless I need to on behalf of the client, or if there lack of understanding between the client and the lender.
I do this to be prudent, and compliant with the Ca. law. I do not want to have any issues with the DRE, or the State when they start investigating outfits who are doing this type of work outside the parameters. I state this for your information since you asked the questions. The rest, as you know, is up to you and how you would like to handle your business operations. If you need additional assitance, I would be glad to fill you in on what I know. Mr. Geller here has done a great job with his timely emails and information about this business and the forthcoming news about BK and other issues affecting homeowners.
Good Luck
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Ben Benita @ 8:13 pm:
When the dummies at the bank tell you payments MUST be late for a short sale, use this:
"I MUST be late…..THAT IS EXCELLENT __________(insert your negotiators name). So you are telling me I can stop paying my mortgage for a few months, and then you will help. That is GREAT NEWS, wait until I tell my wife/husband we can quit paying you guys……"
The response you will get from them 100% of the time:
"No, I am not saying you have to miss payments……blah blah blah"
and they IMMEDIATELY start back-peddling on this point.
Negotiators get in BIG BIG BIG trouble if they tell you to stop sending them cashola!!!!
GIddyup……be strong, and remember, they are called "negotiators" for a reason!!!
Sincerely,
Ben Benita
BBenita@Comcast.net